What Could Christians Accomplish Next Wednesday?

August 3, 2012

Christians,

On Wednesday, you broke records, so they say.  You ate a crap-load of processed chicken sandwiches and mayonnaise based secret sauce.  I want to know if anyone ate the carrot-raisin salad instead of fries.  I can’t imagine anyone ordering that.

supporters_flock_to_chic_file_9415641_a165d5e8a2d8f56c73755e8dcb17c3e9You had some people outside your ranks support you and eat along with you.

And some of your own were embarrassed by you.  They averted their eyes and went to Burger King instead.  They pointed fingers.  They were ashamed of you.

They say you stand for hate.

And bigotry.

And they ask if this is what it’s come to.  Is this what moves and mobilizes the church?  Chicken sandwiches?

I’m not going to judge your motivations.  Plenty of other Christians already are.  So I won’t claim to know why you were standing in line.

I’ve got something much bigger on my mind then why you were in line on Wednesday.

Right now, take everything else out of the equation, and just imagine what we could do if we could get excited about something as much as we got excited for one day about chicken.

Once in a Generation

Has it occurred to anyone yet, or am I the first one to realize it?

I have never, ever seen Christians that motivated, that mobilized…ever.  Over anything.  Who would have thought on Wednesday we’d see the biggest movement of Christians in this country in a generation?  Christians of every stripe turned out.  It bridged denominations and age groups.  No one knew what kind of Christians they were standing in line with or eating next to.  They were just united.  For just a few hours.  Just take out everything else and marvel at that for a moment.  It doesn’t happen very often.

Cause of Inconvenience

Here’s another thing.  People who consider themselves “activists” are usually pretty lazy.

“Supporting the troops” usually means putting a ribbon on your car.  Not a lot of effort.  It’s easy to throw a few bucks at a cause or slap a bumper sticker on your car.  That’s usually about as far as we’re willing to go.  Heck, there’s a projected 18% turnout for next Tuesday’s primary elections.  While people moan about our liberties being taken away, four-fifths of us can’t even be bothered to exercise one of our most important rights.

But what happened on Wednesday was a lot of Christians willing to inconvenience themselves for once.  Not a huge inconvenience in the grand scheme of things.  But what would normally be a thirty minute lunch turned into two hours.  People crammed and crowded, and waited in traffic.  And they stood in line…outside.  And it’s hot outside, triple digits for a months straight in my town.  I might have gone there, but when I saw the line, I decided it wasn’t worth it!

And maybe someone did eat the carrot-raisin salad when the store ran out of fries.  You know, took one for the team.  That’s a real hero.

All for a gesture that no one would have noticed if they had not made it.

What Could Christians Accomplish?

I wonder at what happened on Wednesday, and I get a little bit fearful.  Because I’m afraid we just saw the biggest mass mobilization of Christians that we might see in our lifetimes.  We might never see Christians turn out like that for anything ever again.

Is lunch the only thing that could motivate us to do that?

What could we accomplish if we got that excited about something more than stuffing our faces for a cause?

We could bring the good news to people.

We could change hearts.

We could bring 100 million chicken sandwiches to hungry children.  Next Wednesday is free for me.  Anyone else?  Use your imagination.  We could do a lot.  Something huge.  

Sorry, I just got caught up in a daydream.  A silly fantasy!  Of course it could never happen again…

…could it?

What do you think?  Did we just witness the biggest mobilization of Christians in our lifetimes?  Tell us about why you went or stayed home, or tell us what you’d like to Christians really unite around.

54 responses to What Could Christians Accomplish Next Wednesday?

  1. We bought milkshakes in the afternoon. By then they were running out of food. We went because I am annoyed by the media and the bullying. I’ve been online telling people if they believe that the corporate office is supporting “evil” organizations, have they bothered to visit that organizations web site? Are they just reposting what others are posting? I am annoyed by being called a hater or assuming that I am “phobic” because I disagree. I get really annoyed when people say that I am foolish for believing that there is a God.

    Will all that change because we bought milkshakes in a crowd. No. But that is not all I do. I try to role model what Jesus taught. I don’t buy all my milk from a christian cow, but all things being equal, supporting fellow christians is a plus in my book.

  2. I think that Wednesday was a lot of people pushing back against those who have decided that their views are the only official ones that count and that the rest of us who disagree with them are ignorant peons still living in the dark ages. It was a mild protest against those who want to punish those of us who actually disagree with the gay doctrine. And of course, not wanting to be outdone, the gays want to have “kiss in’s” at Chik Fil A’s today. Just another example of how polarized this country is becoming. God help us!

    • Amen. What I think it shed light on is this:

      The perception is that people who support “traditional” marriage are just a bunch of backwards thinking, ignorant hillbilly jackasses, and that they are a fringe minority. In fact, that group is 50% of the country. (And Christians who support gay marriage should know that they are probably the minority within the Christian community.)

      Not that everyone there was supporting that cause. I happen to think the majority were there as you said to push back against government bullying. What the mayors of Chicago and Boston said is completely and totally unacceptable and unAmerican.

      And I’m saying all this without affirming my own position on the original issue, because as usual, I take a third option. :)

  3. I had a burger from Five Guys, because burgers always win.

    I’m not sure I agree about it not mattering what type of Christian you were. Everyone who went were all about being a certain type. and that’s their right, but sadly it will solidify that type as being more interested in forming cliques and patting itself on the back than forming relationships with anyone on the other side. If that mentality is required to unite around a cause, count me out.

  4. From a less subjective point of view, the idea being united around is murky as well. This is Tea Party and Occupy all over again. Is this about our freedom of religion, or the Freedom to change laws so you can fire someone for being gay? If Cathy is using the business’ charity funds to support organizations who basically want gays to have no rights whatsoever, then I understand the opposition a little better. Christians should investigate this, not dismiss it. Is he indirectly fighting for the right to refuse service? Because that would be wrong. Yes, the bullying from the media was wrong too, but since this was made into a war (thanks to self-serving politicians on both sides) no one’s pausing to ask what this is all about. Simple narrative’s are easier; that way you’re always the hero.

    • Agreed that Christians (and really everyone) usually don’t think hard enough about these things, but in fairness, I think the simple narrative is rather accurate.

      No one should be surprised by the Cathy family’s stance. But they weren’t exactly shoving it down peoples’ throats or anything. They had to be “outed” as it were. There is no indication that they were shooting for denial of service. They have only confirmed that they have supported organizations which work toward supporting marriage in its “traditional” form. Denial of service is illegal, and the company has clarified that this is not their objective.

      The CEO of Amazon gave $100,000 towards gay marriage in Washington and no one said ‘boo.’

      But I could be missing something, so feel free to add to that if I’ve missed anything.

      • I thought it was only about traditional marriage too, and if that’s the case, then I agree it’s ridiculous to raise such a stink. But I saw this the other day, and it gave me pause.

        http://www.owldolatrous.com/?p=288

        If the FRC and M&FF are really trying to roll back these rights, there’s a big problem. Is Cathy actively trying to support that part? I don’t think so, which is why I said “indirectly”. But that’s why it’s hard to unite either way around this: is it about free speech or human rights?

      • Actually, according to two different sources, he donated $2.5 million,

        • Okay, solet’s say “millions”. Either way, it doesn’t affect the other facts, if they are true.

  5. I think Wednesday’s crowd was as diverse as any other day, just bigger. There were those there because someone in their church talked about it and they saw “Christian” values under attack. There were those who heard what the big-city mayors had to say about letting a multi-million dollar employer into their cities and wanted to show their ire about that. Had I gone, which I couldn’t because of time constraints, I would have been “voting” with my money for a company under attack for doing exactly what those attacking them claim the right to do: express their beliefs freely.

    Matt, I agree with your thought that it would be awesome to se believers so mobilized to change injustice. It is up to the leaders to cast that vision and mead them there….just like was done this past Wednesday.

    • The big city mayors, like Huckabee, were just grandstanding. That, banning CFA in any city was never in real danger of happening. Our culture is allergic to context, and again, if that’s what I have to do, sacrifice context, to attain unity, then forget it.

      Also, was this really about beliefs or not? I’m not convinced.

      • I agree, the company was in no real danger. Blocking building codes would have been a process of several months. A mayor can’t just do it unilaterally. Still, the fact that two mayors felt it was acceptable and appropriate to publicly make that threat I find extraordinary.

        You’re probably right. Once we really get our microscopes out, it will the big picture will be obscured. All that is left for me is to wonder if Christians could ever unite around a truly blameless, noble cause.

        • I think we could, if we were patient and willing to major on the majors. Let’s all agree to read When Helping Hurts and rip poverty a new one.

  6. I didn’t go (and I did go) as a Christian. But as someone who loves liberty and the principle that we, as Americans, could always speak our mind without the fear of having someone try and ruin us financially or any other way.

    The left in this country believes that people who disagree with them are evil and do not deserve to make a living.

    We’ve come a long way, and it’s not pretty.

    • It’s funny how some relatively small thing can sometimes make someone’s true colors show. I think we had a massive freudian slip from two mayors, and there’s no denying what their real motivations are anymore. This is just the tip of the iceberg, I fear.

  7. I didn’t eat there on Wednesday. Personally I just think their sandwiches are delicious. I’m a little pissed that this became a “Christian/non-Christian” thing. But what can ya do? But this demanded nothing from us. We all have to eat.

    What if we all bough chicken sandwiches and ate them with a homeless person, forcing us to see them as humans rather than dirty change grubbers.

    Just a thought…ONE THAT WILL BE SHOT DOWN!

    POINTLESS CAPITALIZATION!

  8. I don’t know what the exact number was – but you are correct, it was huge. Back in the day we The March for Jesus. In some cities it was huge and for others it was a hundred or so folks traipsing down their stop-light-less Main Street.

    The bad news is that not everyone that went was a Christian through out the US. I never would have gone wearing my Jesus loves t-shirt. I wanted to go for the sake of freedom of speech.

    In fact today it GLBTs Kiss In. Why don’t we go over there and see what their needs actually are – maybe offer to pray for some; not for deliverance, but for whatever they need now. The love of Christ is not about conversions, it’s about bringing people closer to God.

    If God wants then converted, he knows how to do that. he sent us, to love them.

    And yes, I think we can do a lot of good. Just imagine if all the money that went to C-F-A went to housing teenage mothers, drug addicts, the homeless (who really want a home), job training for church members and missions? Cool, right?

  9. My thoughts exactly: I put this out there this morning, before I saw your post. Great minds and all that:

    http://middletree.blogspot.com/2012/08/milions-of-believers-can-be-mobilized.html

  10. I still find the whole thing stupid. It was blown out of proportion by those offended by Cathy’s comments and I believe Christians used that as reasoning to blow it out of proportion to the other side. As I read your post I realized what a “historic” day Wednesday is, and that made me very sad. Really? Is this supposed to be an event I tell my kids and grand kids I was alive during?

    To address your over all idea of the post, I believe if some business leader had made comments for or against God, this would not have been near as big a deal. But because it was about the hot topic of gay marriage, everyone (both sides) got into a tizzy. We will look back on this and realize it was really quite silly.

    What has been ignored in this is that there are not just two sides. There are gay Christians. There are non-Christians who oppose gay marriage. There are non-gay Christians who don’t oppose gay marriage. There are vegetarian Christians (should they have bought a sandwich and thrown it away?)

    Our church has a communion and worship service the first Wednesday of every month. I was glad to see that on Wednesday several of the gay people and couples who attend our church were there. They did not seem to be faced or alienated by all of this. My hope is that the gay community will not judge Christians by what they do in masses, but by the few Christians they know from their neighborhoods, work, or church who are (hopefully) not hateful.

  11. Heck, it’s a slow day and I feel the need to vent again. But then I’m done. I swear.

    In my opinion, everyone on both sides of the issue is acting like what the great R. Lee Ermey would call a “jackwagon”–and that’s just to keep me from calling them something more colorful.

    The jackwagons that are staging kiss-ins and trying to get Chic-Fil-A’s banned are about five years late in deciding to get huffy about this. Anyone with half a brain that’s been to a CFA a couple of times can figure out that it’s run by “churchy people”–you got the closing on Sunday and the easy-listening hymns piped in on the Muzak and all that. And, as a rule, “churchy people” tend not to be too friendly to “teh gayz.” The past week’s revelations should not be any great suprise to anyone.

    The answer to the problem is to JUST NOT GO THERE. We don’t live in Cuba–trying to get a business banned because you disagree with the owner is going to accomplish exactly nothing. And kiss-ins are not going to change the minds of any churchy people–seeing gay people doing gay stuff just makes them more defensive. Is it such a good idea to feed into the tired old “gay agenda is out to get me” trope?

    And to the jackwagons lining up at CFA on Wednesday, all I can say is–really? I mean, my eyes have been rolling so frequently this week I’m seeing double. Do you honestly think that God is impressed by where you get your chicken nuggets? Do you think He took time away from every other crisis that was happening on Wednesday to look down and see whether you were in line with all the other good churchy people? Really?

    I mean, is this what Christians are supposed to do now? Never mind feeding the hungry. Never mind taking care of that body of yours (you know, the one God gave you that’s supposed to be His temple? Maybe you shouldn’t be stuffing it full of waffle fries?)

    Now maybe someone should change the hymn to They Will Know We Are Christians By The Crap We Buy.

    Only in America. God help us.

    • So much good stuff.

      Jackwagons.

      Teh gayz.

      They will know we are Christians by the crap we buy.

      I’ve read that the kiss in is getting the same treatment from some in the gay community that Wednesday got from the Christian community – that is, they think it’s ridiculous.

  12. Now maybe someone should change the hymn to They Will Know We Are Christians By The Crap We Buy.

    Love it. And this comment. It reminds me I should have stuck to my initial feeling on this whole business: indifference. Let’s go back to quietly serving in prayer and the real great causes will reveal themselves. And it may cost us something, but not necessarialy money.

    • Thanks, guys. I live in a red state, so this has been all over the news and it’s been getting tiresome.

      This Wednesday just before lunch, I was in the office with one of my patients giving him numbers for all of the suicide crisis centers in town. I just found out that he had been contemplating taking all the pills he had and just giving up, in large part because his entire family refuses to speak to him. All because he has HIV and he’s gay. He wasn’t the first patient I’ve had to do this with, and he probably won’t be the last–thanks, churchy people! (*sarcasm*).

      Let’s just say I didn’t really have much of a jonesin’ for a chicken patty that day.

  13. Matt, great post and I while I believe that Christians are doing a lot of hard work every day I think your advice to keep up the momentum is great. If we could get 600,000 Christians together next Wednesday to share the gospel with one person a piece…that would be amazing.

    I used your post as “further reading” in mine today: http://cliffymania.com/blog/2012/08/what-christians-do/

  14. I don’t live in America currently…The Muslims who are my friends now fast everyday from morning prayer til the sun goes down so they know what it feels like to be hungry and want God. So we Americans feel closer to God and better about marriage because they eat some chicken? That’s amazing…
    Uniting around the Word, fasting to be closer to God, loving the poor and hungry, that would be sweet.

  15. Funny that it never occurred to me that the massive support of Chick-fil-A was a “mobilization of Christians.” Admittedly, I haven’t been closely following the news, as it tends to give me psychological heartburn. And I am in the minority of Christians who doesn’t oppose gay marriage. For me, this is an issue of free speech. The far left seems to love freedom of speech, until they disagree with what you say.

    I, too, wonder what Christians could accomplish if we banded together in massive numbers and mobilized for something Jesus would have us do. Remember Jesus, my fellow Christians? You know, that guy we all claim to follow? Somehow I can’t imagine Him directing His disciples to “Go Thou and Order Chicken Sandwiches in My Name.” I bet if we mobilized en masse, we could make a dent in poverty (at least the poverty in our own local communities) — after finding out what people actually need in the short- and long-terms, and not just giving poor people a bunch of stuff that we don’t use anymore.

    Then, maybe, they would know that we are Christians by our LOVE. 😉

  16. *SIGH* Wednesday’s display of “support for traditional marriage” (read: hate for gays) makes me very proud that I am not a Christian anymore. Great job turning millions of people away from the church. I hope Christianity will soon wither into oblivion.

    • Wow, nice attitude man. Apparently there is no distinction between opposition and hate, as you so eloquently demonstrate with your opposition to the Christian community. There’s hate on both sides, but I am so damn sick of people accusing everyone else of being “hateful” while they refuse to look in the mirror.

      …I’m going to stop before I say something hateful.

      • Semantics. I’m sure the southern Christians said they “opposed” integration, too. Opposition, in this case as in the case of the segregated South, is hatred. Stop playing word games.

        • I think both sides miss the real solution, which I won’t get into here. But I know what I think, and I know I don’t hate gay people, or atheists, or any whole group of people.

          Once again, you paint with a broad brush – you implicate the entire south, and the whole of southern Christianity, when neither description is accurate. That’s the difference between you and I. You see people as groups and categories, thereby diminishing the “love” or “compassion” that you righteously proclaim you have for them. I see them as people.

  17. LOVE this. @randomlychad wrote another great article about tolerance and mutual respect, but I think you hit the nail on the head (again).

    Personally, I just want to eat fried chicken. We don’t have Chick-fil-A in Seattle, but on Wednesday I wouldn’t have eaten (or not eaten) there as a statement one way or the other. I just like their sandwiches and waffle fries.

    The bible is clear on sin, but life is messy as a flawed human being in a broken world. Christians are supposed to be known by our love. Apparently we love fried chicken. (that’s accidentally tweetable right there, haha).

    I’d love to see Christians mobilized like this about real injustices like poverty, hunger and sex trafficking.

  18. I will admit to be surprised by the response, but I guess nothing motivates ya’ll like homophobia and fried food.

  19. The whole CFL thing has made me very sad. I am tired of both sides calling anything we disagree about hate speech. I think Cathy has every right to express his opinions. I just hate that everything became so blown up out of proportion and has built more walls. I spend a lot of time with teenagers and young adults. A lot of them have grown up in the church, many were home schooled, and many of them shared a secret… they are gay. They’ve grown up feeling different in church and being afraid to really talk about what’s going on inside of themselves. They’ve felt uncomfortable telling their parents because they knew that it would hurt them and they risked rejection. I have a bunch of other friends who are gay. They aren’t hardcore activists. I’ve talked to a bunch of them this last week. All of the acknowledged Cathy’s rights to his opinion and didn’t want the government getting into his business. All in all they were very gracious. But they were also very hurt. One of them told me that it wasn’t the people buying the sandwiches that made them sad… it was them flaunting it on facebook afterwards in an “us vs them” kind of thing. Many of them misread the rights desire for free speech as something else. It made them realize that their friends didn’t know what a painful issue it was for them to just want to be able to marry their spouse and spend the rest of their lives with them. It was a profound sadness with most of them.. not hate or animosity.

    One of my friends who was a Christian musician before he came out was just starting to reconnect with some of his Christian friends said it sent the message to him that he wasn’t wanted. For me the frustration I’ve felt with all of this is that I agree with free speech… but I’m more concerned about the real lives of people I care for. I was broken hearted that everyone expended all that time and energy and sure it boosted CFA sales, but I would have loved to have people donate money to world vision in CFA’s name instead. Can you imagine what a different outcome might have happened if the news was that Christians donated millions of dollars to feed and care for the hungry in support of free speech.

    Jesus lived in a time when everything was politically volatile. He spent a lot of time with the outcasts and the broken and the sinners. People accused him of stuff all the time, yet he didn’t cause an uprising. He chose to lay down his life for them as a sacrifice. He didn’t mobilize his followers to show they were strong and were standing up for their rights. Anyway, enough. I’m just profoundly sad. It’s made me more committed than ever to reaching out to and loving my Gay friends and offer them the grace and mercy I’ve received. I’ve got to believe that God is big enough to take care of the rest. And for anyone reading this who was hurt by the message the Christian community sent you on Wednesday, I am so sorry.

  20. I am currently on vacation in a state that has very, very few Chik-fil-A’s. And I was staying with someone who, while not gay, would be very offended if I even suggested traveling an hour to eat at a facility that supports traditional marriage. And I am where I am to see family.

    The interesting thing is that the event sparked a discussion between the two of us which we managed to keep civil even though we have a different viewpoint and the other person was getting quite excited over the issue, rather than me. We both knew when to end the conversation, too. In other words, a different kind of miracle occurred :-).

    You know what I would really like to see? Christians defending marriage by treating it as a sacred covenant so that the divorce rate for Christians is closer to 5% than the 50%.

  21. Suzanne Nickerman-Brown August 3, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    The Last Temptation of Christ was picketed and hundreds of thousands of Christians, all denominations participated. It backed up the freeways in California. Thought you should know since you thought this is the only time Christians have joined together to protest or picket something. I was there and the media didn’t report how large a group we were nor that the freeways were stalled because of it. We picketed the movie studio’s headquarters. The movie showed a very sinful Jesus Christ. It was vicious to twist the facts and truth of every Christians faith on the planet with that horrible movie. To this day I hate Martin Scorces because it was his movie!!

    • “The movie showed a very sinful Jesus Christ. ” Did you watch it? I didn’t, but I heard from people I know who did. What you said there, it’s just not true. Just another example of Christians reacting to something with little to know context. Harmless as serpents and wise as lambs, I guess.

      • No context. Oops.

      • I think you both are not quite right. I’ll just quote the wikipedia entry:

        “Like the novel, the film depicts the life of Jesus Christ and his struggle with various forms of temptation including fear, doubt, depression, reluctance and lust. This results in the book and film depicting Christ being tempted by imagining himself engaged in sexual activities, a notion that has caused outrage from some Christians. The movie includes a disclaimer explaining that it departs from the commonly-accepted Biblical portrayal of Jesus’ life, and is not based on the Gospels.”

        So, yes, it shows a sinless Christ, but Christ is shown (in his imagination) in acts of sin. It’s both orthodox in the sense that Jesus is sinless, but offensive in that it does depart from the accepted portrayal of Christ.

        Still, the movie was released in 1988. Must we wait another 22 years to find another cause of the week to unite behind?

        • Hey Matt! I know that you are being a little sarcastic and I am perfectly willing to be the straight man. Instead of having a “Cause of the Week,”why don’t Christians just quietly bring The Church into their neighborhoods as the Spirit leads them? It would mean no fame, no notoriety, the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing so that the left hand cannot criticize what the right hand is doing, just everyone trusting in God to orchestrate all activities of His people to take care of His creation? Or is that too much a leap of faith?

          BTW, Christians have been protesting abortion for the last 30 years or so in good ways, bad ways, and by trying to set legal limits. And then there was all the protests over Terry Schiavo’s euthanasia and protests over embryonic stem cell research. So no, you won’t have to wait 22 years for another mobilization. :-)

  22. I feel as if BOTH sides of this issue – Conservative or Liberal, Christian or Non are behaving like a bunch of sixth graders. I honestly have tried to “go to the basement” on this (http://jenhatmaker.com/blog/2012/07/27/in-the-basement) and yours and Jen Hatmaker’s posts said the words I was thinking but couldn’t seem to form into a thought. I honestly don’t know what’s left to be said.

    “What could we accomplish if we got that excited about something more than stuffing our faces for a cause?

    We could bring the good news to people.

    We could change hearts.

    We could bring 100 million chicken sandwiches to hungry children. Next Wednesday is free for me. Anyone else? Use your imagination. We could do a lot. Something huge.”

    Just imagine.

  23. I’m a little late to the party. Sorry!

    I think people came out in droves to CFA on Wednesday and don’t do things that actually do some good because going to CFA was easy. People needed to eat anyway and to be able to do it while also feeling like they were making a statement felt good. And they got to eat food that they like anyway and might have eaten regardless.

    I’m tired of the assumption being that if I am for one thing, I hate people who think differently. If the various mayors (it was 5 by the end) hadn’t been so ironically ridiculous, none of it would have ever happened (although I have friends who are absolutely certain that this was all just a very well-thought-out marketing ploy by CFA). There might have been some “kiss-ins,” but there would have been no real “backlash” by the ‘right’ side of this issue (as opposed to ‘left’ – settle down, people).

    Did I go to CFA on Wednesday? Well, my husband picked up dinner for all of us…the thought of the crowds made me a little shaky.

    Do I hate gay people? No. (And yes, I do know some.)

    Do I think homosexuality is a sin? Yep, but I also recognize that my own sins separate me from God just as much as any gay person’s sins separate them from God. My sins may be different, but they’re just as damning without Jesus.

    Do I think they should be allowed to get married? That’s a WAY complicated question. I think I can split it into three points:
    1) I see “marriage” as a symbol of Christ and His church. I personally don’t understand why it’s important to people who are not believers, and don’t care whether my marriage is recognized by the state as long as the state doesn’t interfere in my church’s freedom to exercise our religion the way that we think God would have us do it (whatever that happens to be for my church).
    2) Having said that….if the state wants to separate legal unions (between whomever) from religious unions (like they do in the Netherlands where they’re two distinct ceremonies), I’d be cool with it….AS LONG AS the state doesn’t then use anti-discrimination laws to sue my church if we refuse our facilities or personnel for unions that we think are against God’s will (there are some legal technicalities involved, but this has basically already happened to a church in NJ when they refused their facilities for use in a civil union ceremony – apparently the church had made a deal with NJ which put them at risk for anti-discrimination laws, but the judge still felt the need to point out that sometimes freedom of religion should take a backseat to social causes which tells me that it wasn’t just about legal technicalities).
    3) But regardless, there is still the issue of states rights. It’s fine if the citizens of Hawaii want to recognize legal unions for their citizens. It’s their right to do so, and I’m cool with that. But does the Federal government have the right to impose Hawaii’s morality on other states whose citizens have voted to say that they do _not_ want to recognize legal unions for their citizens? Barring a Constitutional amendment, the correct answer is “no.”

    This issue is WAY more complicated than “do I hate or love the gays?” Or even “am I for or against gay marriage?”

    Did eating chicken last Wednesday change anything about the debate? Probably not. Except that it sparked discussion. And maybe, just maybe understanding between rational, reasonable people could be achieved through discussion of the issue.

  24. Now, why in the world would you turn this into a convicting thing for me? Love your point of view on this one. Well done, my friend.

  25. I think Christians should spend a little more time reading the actual teachings of Jesus and a little less time supporting organizations that think the path to Heaven is paved with self-righteous bigotry.

    Nice blog post.